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		<title>By: Max ben-Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/07/wilhelm-wundt-first-experimentalist.php/comment-page-1#comment-19839</link>
		<dc:creator>Max ben-Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traditional  psychology  has  operated   under  the  assumption  that  human functioning  could be  analysed in  terms of  specific variables,  each of  which  could  be  studied  separately,  yet  which,  in  conjunction would  ultimately ‘explain&#039; man and predict  his behavior.  With statistical tests  of  significance, it  was presumed,  one could  identify the relationships  among the  variables, factoring out the  noise of other variables.  It was believed that when psychologists had  identified all possible relationships, all such noise would be eliminated.   &quot;The natural sciences were presumed to  have progressed on  the basis of this parametric  assumption&quot;, Bakan said,  &quot;and psychologists adopted it without question.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;(I would be grateful if anybody could give me a citation for this quotation, which I mislaid.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The assumption is,  of course, inherently fallacious. While it may work for  what Weaver has referred to as  ‘two variable problems of simplicity’, the  chances for success are minimal when the technique is practised on complex  systems with  many variables. The  components of such  a system cannot  be  separated out by doing experiments on them  one by one&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Immature science is characterized by the unrestrained collection of a welter of facts without a consistent theoretical framework for them to fit in.   Before a science can become mature, it must develop at least one coherent, comprehensive theory that attracts a following.  Unless and until such a paradigm is formulated, (don&#039;t try to tell me that Psychoanalysis fits this bill)the practitioners of the science are doomed to wander, like psychology today,  aimlessly in the wilderness. By the way, I define psychology as the study of what goes on in the noetic function in a single brain - otherwise it is is sociology or anthropology).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The field of sleep studies, for example, is dominated by experimentalists. What theoreticians there are seem to be working on a different wavelength from their experimentalist brethren.   No theory yet proposed seems willing or able to take into account the experimental findings on the stages of the stages of sleep and the observed patterns into which these stages seen to fall.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the most deleterious effects of the lack of a theory has been the contradictory nature of some of the experimental results.   It has long been suspected, for example, that there seems to be a connection between memory and sleep.   Yet, for every experiment that seems to verify this connection, one can find a contradictory report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traditional  psychology  has  operated   under  the  assumption  that  human functioning  could be  analysed in  terms of  specific variables,  each of  which  could  be  studied  separately,  yet  which,  in  conjunction would  ultimately ‘explain' man and predict  his behavior.  With statistical tests  of  significance, it  was presumed,  one could  identify the relationships  among the  variables, factoring out the  noise of other variables.  It was believed that when psychologists had  identified all possible relationships, all such noise would be eliminated.   "The natural sciences were presumed to  have progressed on  the basis of this parametric  assumption", Bakan said,  "and psychologists adopted it without question."<br />(I would be grateful if anybody could give me a citation for this quotation, which I mislaid.)</p>
<p>The assumption is,  of course, inherently fallacious. While it may work for  what Weaver has referred to as  ‘two variable problems of simplicity’, the  chances for success are minimal when the technique is practised on complex  systems with  many variables. The  components of such  a system cannot  be  separated out by doing experiments on them  one by one</p>
<p>Immature science is characterized by the unrestrained collection of a welter of facts without a consistent theoretical framework for them to fit in.   Before a science can become mature, it must develop at least one coherent, comprehensive theory that attracts a following.  Unless and until such a paradigm is formulated, (don't try to tell me that Psychoanalysis fits this bill)the practitioners of the science are doomed to wander, like psychology today,  aimlessly in the wilderness. By the way, I define psychology as the study of what goes on in the noetic function in a single brain - otherwise it is is sociology or anthropology).</p>
<p>The field of sleep studies, for example, is dominated by experimentalists. What theoreticians there are seem to be working on a different wavelength from their experimentalist brethren.   No theory yet proposed seems willing or able to take into account the experimental findings on the stages of the stages of sleep and the observed patterns into which these stages seen to fall.</p>
<p>One of the most deleterious effects of the lack of a theory has been the contradictory nature of some of the experimental results.   It has long been suspected, for example, that there seems to be a connection between memory and sleep.   Yet, for every experiment that seems to verify this connection, one can find a contradictory report.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (PsyBlog author)</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/07/wilhelm-wundt-first-experimentalist.php/comment-page-1#comment-19589</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (PsyBlog author)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment Tobin, I think your experience would still be shared by many undergraduates today. I know many arrive expecting to investigate the human condition and end up investigating how they are going to scrape a passing grade in research methods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My impression is that there is a reasonable amount of variation between psychology departments as to the balance. That said, psychology is still very touchy about the whole &#039;science&#039; thing and so I expect most departments still place a great emphasis on quantitative methodologies. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some hope can be seen in the rise of qualitative methods which concentrate on meaning rather than causation. It seems that it&#039;s not even considered that ridiculous to mix qualitative and quantitative methods. Still, there&#039;s perhaps less hope that academic psychologists are going to completely abandon the worship of methodology that has brought them this far.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apologies if all this talk of methodologies is making your skin creep!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Tobin, I think your experience would still be shared by many undergraduates today. I know many arrive expecting to investigate the human condition and end up investigating how they are going to scrape a passing grade in research methods.</p>
<p>My impression is that there is a reasonable amount of variation between psychology departments as to the balance. That said, psychology is still very touchy about the whole 'science' thing and so I expect most departments still place a great emphasis on quantitative methodologies. </p>
<p>Some hope can be seen in the rise of qualitative methods which concentrate on meaning rather than causation. It seems that it's not even considered that ridiculous to mix qualitative and quantitative methods. Still, there's perhaps less hope that academic psychologists are going to completely abandon the worship of methodology that has brought them this far.</p>
<p>Apologies if all this talk of methodologies is making your skin creep!</p>
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		<title>By: Tobin Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/07/wilhelm-wundt-first-experimentalist.php/comment-page-1#comment-19586</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobin Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jul 2006 16:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went into a psychology degree (many years ago, ahem), because I wanted to learn about the human condition. Unfortunately what was presented to me at university (back then anyway) was a cold overly-scientific view of ourselves. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Psychology as a discipline was trying to justify its existence (and its funding I suspect), by highlighting its respectability and lack of &#039;fluffy&#039; terms like &#039;spirit&#039;, &#039;art&#039;, or even &#039;feelings&#039;. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I do hope the situation in modern psychology departments has changed, and undergraduates are at least encouraged to embrace what essentially makes us human, as opposed to just animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went into a psychology degree (many years ago, ahem), because I wanted to learn about the human condition. Unfortunately what was presented to me at university (back then anyway) was a cold overly-scientific view of ourselves. </p>
<p>Psychology as a discipline was trying to justify its existence (and its funding I suspect), by highlighting its respectability and lack of 'fluffy' terms like 'spirit', 'art', or even 'feelings'. </p>
<p>I do hope the situation in modern psychology departments has changed, and undergraduates are at least encouraged to embrace what essentially makes us human, as opposed to just animals.</p>
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