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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-20852</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true of exogenous depression, but what about endogenous where the depression is not caused by any real external factors or thoughts but appears to come on by itself. In my case CBT has very little effects. When I am not dpressed I am incredible fun-loving,confident and positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true of exogenous depression, but what about endogenous where the depression is not caused by any real external factors or thoughts but appears to come on by itself. In my case CBT has very little effects. When I am not dpressed I am incredible fun-loving,confident and positive.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (PsyBlog author)</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-20584</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (PsyBlog author)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To both Anons, thanks for your comments. What you&#039;re both talking about is a real problem for CBT. In general the assumption is that targeting cognitions will work back to emotions. Of course talking about cognitions and emotions as though they were separate is something of a theoretical convenience - in reality they are constantly interacting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The research shows that CBT clearly has something to offer many people who are depressed. But, as you both point out, it&#039;s by no means a perfect system, and, as ever, we are all different and require different approaches to treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To both Anons, thanks for your comments. What you're both talking about is a real problem for CBT. In general the assumption is that targeting cognitions will work back to emotions. Of course talking about cognitions and emotions as though they were separate is something of a theoretical convenience - in reality they are constantly interacting.</p>
<p>The research shows that CBT clearly has something to offer many people who are depressed. But, as you both point out, it's by no means a perfect system, and, as ever, we are all different and require different approaches to treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not an expert on psychology by any means, but I am long-term depressive who has read a little into it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I once had a bit of &quot;cognitive behavioural therapy&quot;, the premises and methods of which sound similar to what you have written.  Whilst I find it interesting, and in a logical sense think this is a very effective and realistic form of treatment, I also have my reservations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem for me is that this kind of logical approach to the causes of depression ignores the hugely personal and inexplicable side that exists to every depressive.  You can talk me through why I think what I think, and why I do what I do, and that will no doubt help.  But you are trying to give me a structure of thought, feelings and behaviour to impose upon the hugely complex, damaged and confused entity of my self.  Depressives want help, and will welcome ways to get out of their problem, but I think that this logical approach can miss the deep seated needs of the underlying personality.  Teaching someone to think positively does not stop them from being depressive, it just helps them deal with it.  And the problem with depression is that sometimes you just can&#039;t cope, you can&#039;t think logically, and you fall apart, and it is that state that is the real problem.  There is a part of me that cannot be happy, and that is the part of me for which my own resources are not enough, and for which I need someone&#039;s help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm not an expert on psychology by any means, but I am long-term depressive who has read a little into it.</p>
<p>I once had a bit of "cognitive behavioural therapy", the premises and methods of which sound similar to what you have written.  Whilst I find it interesting, and in a logical sense think this is a very effective and realistic form of treatment, I also have my reservations.</p>
<p>The problem for me is that this kind of logical approach to the causes of depression ignores the hugely personal and inexplicable side that exists to every depressive.  You can talk me through why I think what I think, and why I do what I do, and that will no doubt help.  But you are trying to give me a structure of thought, feelings and behaviour to impose upon the hugely complex, damaged and confused entity of my self.  Depressives want help, and will welcome ways to get out of their problem, but I think that this logical approach can miss the deep seated needs of the underlying personality.  Teaching someone to think positively does not stop them from being depressive, it just helps them deal with it.  And the problem with depression is that sometimes you just can't cope, you can't think logically, and you fall apart, and it is that state that is the real problem.  There is a part of me that cannot be happy, and that is the part of me for which my own resources are not enough, and for which I need someone's help.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-19564</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 02:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While in theory this is all solid stuff i do not really agree with the fact that depressed people do the exact opposite. Im a clinically depressed obsessive compulsive, so instead i dont think of how everything good is because of my skills or because im so good, i focus on everything i did that is wrong, everything that is out of place even slightly. It all builds, and i go into depressions for months that are quite severe. Its whistfull thinking, but obviously it does not apply to all people. I support your ideas and am very interested in what you have to say, but its not true in all cases, and its never been true for me. Im curious to see how you respond and to see where this research goes because a large portion of this strikes home with me .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While in theory this is all solid stuff i do not really agree with the fact that depressed people do the exact opposite. Im a clinically depressed obsessive compulsive, so instead i dont think of how everything good is because of my skills or because im so good, i focus on everything i did that is wrong, everything that is out of place even slightly. It all builds, and i go into depressions for months that are quite severe. Its whistfull thinking, but obviously it does not apply to all people. I support your ideas and am very interested in what you have to say, but its not true in all cases, and its never been true for me. Im curious to see how you respond and to see where this research goes because a large portion of this strikes home with me .</p>
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		<title>By: Health Psych</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-19560</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Psych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research suggests that it&#039;s not only &lt;i&gt;what&lt;/i&gt; we think but also the &lt;i&gt;way&lt;/i&gt; we process that content. Rumination, the repetitive processing of thoughts, can be important in determining the onset, severity and duration of depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research suggests that it's not only <i>what</i> we think but also the <i>way</i> we process that content. Rumination, the repetitive processing of thoughts, can be important in determining the onset, severity and duration of depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (PsyBlog author)</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-19551</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy (PsyBlog author)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment &lt;i&gt;anonymous&lt;/i&gt;. While I&#039;m happy you can see parallels to a model with which you are familiar, I should say that from the perspective of psychology, Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) is usually considered &#039;unproven&#039; at best. What psychology aims for is an evidence-based approach, on which the findings discussed here are founded. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Find out more about NLP from a sceptical perspective &lt;a href=&quot;http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment <i>anonymous</i>. While I'm happy you can see parallels to a model with which you are familiar, I should say that from the perspective of psychology, Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) is usually considered 'unproven' at best. What psychology aims for is an evidence-based approach, on which the findings discussed here are founded. </p>
<p>Find out more about NLP from a sceptical perspective <a href="http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-19550</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds extremely related to Neuro Linguistic Programming. Those &quot;attributions&quot; you named are all called &quot;generalizations&quot; in NLP, which therapists are trained to seek out and challenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds extremely related to Neuro Linguistic Programming. Those "attributions" you named are all called "generalizations" in NLP, which therapists are trained to seek out and challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: zoxcleb</title>
		<link>http://www.spring.org.uk/2006/03/depressive-thinkinghtm.php/comment-page-1#comment-19549</link>
		<dc:creator>zoxcleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting stuff. having recently come out of a small bout of depression myself, i can see how truly this reflects on the thought processes at that time.&lt;br /&gt;await to see more insightful infor from u.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting stuff. having recently come out of a small bout of depression myself, i can see how truly this reflects on the thought processes at that time.<br />await to see more insightful infor from u.</p>
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